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December 9, 2019

This week on TGC News, the quiet scorpion and the classic HK that is FINALLY coming to the US! Welcome back to another episode of TGC News,
the only gun news show that covers things you actually care about, my name is Jon Patton.
I hope you all had a lovely Thanksgiving and that you didn’t completely rage if you went
out shopping on black friday. Its Cyber Monday now and Taco Tuesday is tomorrow and Wu Tang
Wednesdays is fast approaching so let’s get into the news.
First up this week is something that has been a LONG time coming. Its from a small german
company called Heckler and Koch and after many years of trying, we are getting the closest
thing to an MP5 that the US has ever seen. It’s called the SP5. If that sounds familiar,
you may recall the SP5K which is a sort of Americanized version that was okay to import.
The SP5k has a button mag release which no one likes, it has a tiny little barrel with
a shroud which is only cool if there is a can under it and a couple other things that
aren’t what a true HK fanboy would want. And here comes the SP5. I’ll go over the basics
first. It’s a 9mm semi auto pistol that uses a delayed roller lock blowback operating system
complete with the locking handle almost made for slapping,much like the real deal MP5.
It comes with a 8.86 inch barrel, 30 round mag if you live in a free state, ambi safety,
rounded classic style handguard, a muzzle device that is both threaded ½ x 28 AND has
a 3 lug attachment, a rear sling mount AKA the spot where the brace gets attached, fixed
front sight and rotary rear, again much like the real MP5, and it weighs in at just over
5 pounds. It also has my favorite feature from any of the MP5 variants, the paddle mag
release. FINALLY. It’s also made in germany on the MP5 tooling. To me, this is the definition
of an enthusiast gun. You’re not likely to carry it but you are likely to shoot the piss
out of it and love it the entire time. The MP5 is legendary and this seems to be the
closest we’ve gotten yet to a civilian legal version. The price tag is inherently HK style
at 2799 dollars MSRP. And the mags are pretty steep as well at 80 bucks
a pop MSRP. At the end of the day though, I’m excited for 2 reasons. One, seeing the
German government allow this to come over here to the states to be sold is a really
positive thing. And 2, I have one for review and I am REALLY curious if it holds up to
my excitement levels. What do you guys think? Is this something you would ever consider
buying or is it still unobtanium for you? Sound off in the comments and let’s talk about
it. Next up this week is a unique NFA item that
comes from the efforts of 2 companies. The company that designed this silencer set up
is called Manticore Arms. They’re friends of TGC and have done some really interesting
parts and accessories over the years. The other company, I first learned about from
their chain drive knives, they’re called RatWorx USA and they are manufacturing and selling
the can. What makes it unique is that it is specifically designed for the CZ Scorpion
EVO pistol or SBR with the 7.75 inch barrel and it essentially is an integral can that
you can add on without modifying the barrel or muzzle in any crazy way. Essentially what
you have is a 2 part system. A new forened for the gun that also acts as the outer sleeve
AND the inner baffle stack or core as they call it, which is the serialized part. In
theory, because the 2 parts are not permanently attached to each other or the gun, you could
transport the gun without the can. The core comes out by removing 8 screws. Pretty simple.
The other thing that makes this stand out is that because you have a larger shape to
deal with than a normal 9mm can, they’re claiming 2.7 times more volume in fact, that means
that you will in theory get better suppression and sound numbers. They also claim that the
larger area also spreads out heat and the unit can be held even after shooting 100 rounds
through the gun. And now here’s the part that matters the most, the entire can and forend,silencer,
muzzle device assembly retails for $449 bucks. That is really solid value for money IF you
happen to have one of those guns. I feel like some guys are now going to buy one just to
have a can like this haha. And I need to mention this because recalls
can be a big deal sometimes. This one more than others. IF you are a re-loader, pay attention.
Accurate Powders put out a recall on 3 of their powders. 2495, 4064 and 4350. All of
which are pretty popular for rifle loaders. According to their recall notice, The storage
of these powders can or may result in combustion, fire damage and/or possible serious injury
or property damage. That is not good. We will put a link in the description so you can make
sure your powder is good to go. Our Guntuber of the Week this time is from
the UK. They bring a flavor to the gun world that we just don’t get here in the states.
They’re focused mainly on the things that are legal there, of course, BUT I think the
presentation is done REALLY well and the footage is outstanding. And I genuinely have interest
in the type of stuff that they are showing. Say hello to The Gun Shop. Do me a favor and head over there and get
subscribed. There is a link in the description for you guys to head over and get subscribed
to his channel and when you do, be sure to tell him TGC sent
you. And now, as you guys requested, Patton’s Armory.
This is a segment where I grab one of my personal guns and tell you guys about it. This is a
Smith & Wesson Model 61. This is a 22 long rifle gun, semi-auto pistol. And some of you
guys may be familiar with the larger ones I think it’s the 4412 or I don’t remember
the model numbers, but, the idea here is that the barrel is on the bottom, the top is the
reciprocating part the slide it’s pretty cool pretty unique and this is a very very old
gun. I bought this specifically to be used with very very tiny cans like the GSL pill
bottle and the Bowers bitty. The only challenges right now I have the inability to remove the
barrel lug, the locking lug on the end here. I tried, I got a tool really struggling, I
really got to send it to a gunsmith. So this has kind of been in a holding pattern, it’s
a really neat little gun. Tiny little magazine tiny little gun. I’ll even put it in my hand
so you guys can see what that looks like if it’s silly I mean my finger almost goes past
the muzzle. That is a tiny little gun. But with a can on there, man this thing is going
to be cool. Model 61. That is one of the more interesting guns that I have. Kind of in a
holding pattern, we will make a video with it at some other time. Of course, If you guys
wanna to see more of my guns, let me know in the comments. I hope you enjoyed this one. This time our questions are coming from our facebook page. If you enjoy our show go check that out. That’s difficult to say to be
honest. I got into guns around 10 years ago. I started making videos on YouTube, about
guns, about 10 years ago. My entire time being a gun guy, i’ve also been a content creator.
Obviously TGC has allowed to me to obtain all kinds of cool stuff, I guess to answer
your question, I would likely have less but I don’t think I’ve ever been the type of person
to be a minimalist. I’ll try to make an analogy
that covers this. Imagine a stray dog that has been fighting other dogs its entire life.
Its tired. Its aggressive. It’s always ready for a fight. Now imagine cornering that dog
with other dogs. It will probably react to any little thing they do. This is the gun
community. We have been pushed into a corner and everyone is tired and fed up so we overreact
on one another as a result. Yes it is a symptom of that. It’s WAY easier to talk crap on a smartphone than it is to actually do something. Like physically go to a place or perform some action that requires more than a light snort when you see a funny meme. We are in the age of the internet, and we
are trying to fight problems that are bigger than the internet. Well you can easily go work in a gun shop behind the counter. That’s a great
place to start. If you have some specialized skills you could try to get into a gun company
looking for people with that skill set. The gun industry isn’t different than any other
industry. College education isn’t required and anyone that says so is full of it. and if you want to ask a friendly fire question, send it to me over on! That is it for this week’s show. Guys if you
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  • Reply shadowhawk December 3, 2019 at 3:59 pm

    I aspire to be a gunsmith. I have some skills in the industry, a little experience, and a motivated attitude.
    I spent 2 years sending resumes and nocking down doors trying to get a job, even starting at the bottom.
    I had a few interviews, but in the end I thing the area around me is too saturated with skilled gun guys.
    I have now resolved to go to a higher learning organization, and work on making my skills more desirable.
    It may not be absolutely necessary to attend college, but it sure helps, if you can manage it without debt.

  • Reply IIDASHII December 3, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    If I had an extra $2800 lying around I certainly wouldn't spend it on a shoulder-mounted firearm that shoots a pistol round.

  • Reply Charles Driggers December 3, 2019 at 4:13 pm

    2A counties are a necessary thing. If only to show the anti gunners we are willing to fight .

  • Reply Steven Schultz December 3, 2019 at 4:50 pm

    oh ya! Find out with your review if it works with the BFSiii HK-c1! That would be sweet!!!

  • Reply Tom Barker December 3, 2019 at 5:22 pm

    Not interested in a HK-Nazi gun. I have my AMERICAN 556 pistol and my AMERICAN 556 rifle. Still paid less for both plus ammo. Screw you germens.

  • Reply John-David Chambers December 3, 2019 at 5:32 pm


  • Reply amorton94 December 3, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    That scorpion silencer/forend seems ridiculously cheap. Like too cheap.

  • Reply David Garthly December 3, 2019 at 5:57 pm

    My wallet says it is unobtainium.

  • Reply Philly Repo December 3, 2019 at 6:13 pm

    UMP 40 please

  • Reply Trent t. December 3, 2019 at 6:14 pm

    A U.K gun channel, Giggle giggle

  • Reply Fun With Guns Family Channel December 3, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    SP5 Indecent price. I will wait for the knock offs.

  • Reply ᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚᅚ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) December 3, 2019 at 6:41 pm

    That huge soy mouth in the thumbnail.
    You'd almost thing he got a Nintendo switch for Christmas.

  • Reply Why youtube why December 3, 2019 at 6:50 pm

    Why do you always make the dumbest fucking faces in the thumbnail

  • Reply D M December 3, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    While very cool, I still cannot find a functional purpose for giant awkward pistols in 9mm. How are these subs better than say a Sig P320 or a Glock?

  • Reply TheSuperReaper December 3, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    We don't want an MP5 we want the MP7!!!

  • Reply Yawen & Stuff December 3, 2019 at 8:44 pm

    The fact they are able to bring that MP5 means we might be able to get an HK433 in the future

  • Reply Jay Trevillian December 3, 2019 at 8:53 pm

    MP5…I will wait for PSA's version hopefully takes scorpion mags.

  • Reply yT ty December 3, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    Long barrel 9mm for 2800 hmmmm. Hey FN Scar Heavy!

  • Reply Just another Guy December 3, 2019 at 10:05 pm

    God I want that MP5 so bad, it sucks big balls that I’m not 21 yet ? why can I own a gun with a 16” barrel but not 8”? What the big fuckin difference that’s so scary that makes me wait a couple more years?

  • Reply Michael Cribbin December 3, 2019 at 10:10 pm

    I'm buying one tomorrow

  • Reply Open Carry December 3, 2019 at 10:35 pm

    Until it has the full auto selector, what's the point. Pass.

  • Reply Josh Jorgensen December 3, 2019 at 11:01 pm

    More of your guns. I think its a really good segment of the show

  • Reply Andrew Boldt December 3, 2019 at 11:52 pm

    i still cant afford that but id still have one of those sp5

  • Reply Amado Leon December 4, 2019 at 12:23 am

    to much for my blood

  • Reply ole redwhiteandblue December 4, 2019 at 12:36 am

    Hk mp5 is expensive , I'll pass , I have an apc9 which is way better , and it takes glock mags

  • Reply Henry Zhang December 4, 2019 at 1:09 am

    if only that mp5 is ca legal

  • Reply Han Stoli December 4, 2019 at 1:21 am

    If it drops under 2k I’m getting it.

  • Reply First Earth Battalion December 4, 2019 at 1:22 am

    YEEAH $2800 for a Pistol!
    Hk hates that you have no money. A Turkish knockoff will do fine.
    I laughed so hard, my dog left the room and won't come back! Even for polish sausage.

  • Reply Jared Vanerem December 4, 2019 at 1:42 am

    4:14 *checks sp5 on impact guns, see's its selling for $3,799 and its backordered* yeah still unobtainium

  • Reply Johnny V December 4, 2019 at 2:09 am

    Yeah but…. where the G36

  • Reply Michael Peters December 4, 2019 at 2:27 am

    I’m going to college for machining and welding and I would love to get into the gun industry

  • Reply John S. Cooper December 4, 2019 at 2:37 am

    coust too much, can get 9mm carbine a lot cheaper

  • Reply hunterman600cc December 4, 2019 at 3:00 am

    Based on the constitution, we should have a 2A sanctuary country.

  • Reply HONZILLA December 4, 2019 at 3:20 am

    Would love the sp5 but the price hmm…

  • Reply James M December 4, 2019 at 3:30 am

    Free plug for hidden valley ranch.. sweet.

  • Reply Abraham Lopez December 4, 2019 at 3:31 am

    Favorite part was "30 round mag of ypu live in free states" lol oh the sadness

  • Reply Quality Guru December 4, 2019 at 4:18 am

    I would love to see the HK MP5 compared to their clones. Will it be worth the extra coin? We should see clone prices drop on the near future now that there is competition for our dollars. I’m still looking forward to the PSA clone rocking it at 1000 dollars.

  • Reply Jordan Dynamite December 4, 2019 at 4:36 am

    That price is just ridiculous.

  • Reply VicFromFallout December 4, 2019 at 5:20 am

    I saw a classic Smith & Wesson Model 61, i give like

  • Reply Dies1r4e December 4, 2019 at 5:22 am

    ha haahaha no imma buy a turkish knock off for 1k get my HK love.

  • Reply Rated R December 4, 2019 at 5:26 am

    I’ll Stick To My Desert Eagle… nuff said

  • Reply dylan renz December 4, 2019 at 7:59 am

    I going tomorrow to get mine I've been waiting for this moment for my life

  • Reply Zachery Robertson December 4, 2019 at 10:11 am

    Price tag makes it,,,,., gimmick

  • Reply Jake Waggoner December 4, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    On the SP5 I would only be a buyer if I had FU money. For the EVO, I would buy so I would NEED that awesome can

  • Reply Joe Brands December 4, 2019 at 1:37 pm

    I have two of those mod 61's. One in stainless the other blued. Nice shooters at about 10 yrds.

  • Reply Juiceman December 4, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    I'm not sure the dog analogy is correct as to why gun people argue a lot with each other over politics. I honestly believe it is because we aren't all on the same page as to what we believe our gun rights should be. For example, I'm a straight up 2A supporter and believe any infringement should not be tolerated and I have a friend who is into guns just as much as I am but for some reason he doesn't believe machine guns should be legal and thinks background checks are a great thing. I would say the majority of gun owners I talk to have some difference in idea of what they believe our gun rights should be and I think that is one of the largest problems among us in terms of making positive changes in the political arena.

    P.S. I love the Patton's Armory segment

  • Reply Alex Parnell December 4, 2019 at 2:22 pm

    I am very lucky. I own an pre-ban HK 94-A3 that I bought in 1986 for $600.00. It is the 3rd HK 94-A3  I've owned; as the first 2, I bought for $430. 00 each, however my home was broke into, and they were stolen as well as other firearms.

  • Reply Lawrence The Main December 4, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    Your face on the thumb-nail pisses me off!

  • Reply Daniel Clark December 4, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    Some feedback for this segment, make it longer maybe 30mins total, also shorten your advertisement its a little long, pattons armory needs to have footage of you shooting the gun, 2a advocacy is important but it shouldnt feel like the whole episode is based on it, Your personality works really well with the style of webshow you do keep up the great work

  • Reply The Mr. Mike December 4, 2019 at 3:03 pm

    I want and MP5 SO BAD!!!

  • Reply George Incredible December 4, 2019 at 4:18 pm

    Love your content !!

  • Reply CAROLINA PATRIOT December 4, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Love to have the new HK, but not at $2700. Might consider at a price point less than $1500.

  • Reply CAROLINA PATRIOT December 4, 2019 at 4:38 pm

    Off topic question.
    What happened to Winchester's 9mm Hybrid-X ammo? I can't find any information other than it's been discontinued. Was it because it was too similar to Federal Syntor and violated Federal's patent?

  • Reply Gariel2007 December 4, 2019 at 6:02 pm

    2A Sanctuary? Oh you mean convenient centralized government raiding points? They have their charm…

  • Reply Geovanni Herrera December 4, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    I got the money but I live in Cali ??‍♂️

  • Reply yotersmitt December 4, 2019 at 7:58 pm

    Where you stand should be a 2A sanctuary.

  • Reply MrRdvs87 December 4, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    I’m not too wild about PCC’s really, but even if I were, I think HK is a bit late to the party because there are good options for way less money. Even if you say the mp5 craps on those, I have to fire back and ask if it’s enough to justify $2800? I think only the hardcore enthusiasts will go for this.

  • Reply HAYAO LEONE December 4, 2019 at 9:19 pm


  • Reply Ken Wheeler December 4, 2019 at 11:49 pm

    It would be a travesty to do anything to permanently alter that S&W 61. They were only made from 1970 – 1973.

  • Reply American Patriot December 5, 2019 at 12:43 am

    I think the only people opposed to a 2A sanctuary city/county would be those in favor of the Fking illegal sanctuary city/county! I.E.(democraps for illegals)

  • Reply dobeekind December 5, 2019 at 2:04 am

    hey JON. can hardly wait for the first dude to open carry that puppy into a town. hope someone records his interview with the cops. lol.

  • Reply (Unvevo) December 5, 2019 at 5:10 am

    I'm now looking at a scorpion for that suppressor LOL

  • Reply TheCobradragon December 5, 2019 at 5:24 am

    Paying for the name! PTR and Dakota is gonna be in some shit!

  • Reply Taylor Dougherty December 5, 2019 at 6:21 am

    So does this dude have no idea what the ptr and zenith mp5 variants are? Yeah they aren't HK branded but there is nothing different about those than a HK mp5. Hes acting like this is the first thing to ever exist.

  • Reply Brian Wood December 5, 2019 at 7:18 am

    Unobtanium. Crazy expensive.

    Sanctuary counties bother me… it weakens the country.

    Why not sanctuary cities that ignore the 2nd entirely? That allows slavery? If you can ignore federal law [immigration] and now state laws, where would it end?

    Then, what about individual neighborhoods or gated communities? Individual houses? How granular does the option to ignore the laws become? Could each house have its own list of federal and state laws it doesn't allow enforced?

  • Reply Justin Wetzel December 5, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    Well I'm super excited they released the real mp5. However, I'm holding out for the mp7. That's my true unobtanium. I can't wait to see your review!

  • Reply Sam December 5, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    I will carry the SP5. No, I will.

    I'm serious.

  • Reply Obvy December 5, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    A real 2a sanctuary county is one that does not enforce nfa regulations

  • Reply rawtoon2000 December 5, 2019 at 6:48 pm

    Where is Adam Kraut with the Legal Brief? The dems in VA are about to infringe.

  • Reply Jacob Staten December 5, 2019 at 7:11 pm

    Now we need a brace for it like on Glock pistols. ?
    Also, it'd be cool to make a version that takes Glock mags, but that's a whole other topic.

  • Reply rcadd1ct December 5, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    I will probably pick a sp5 up. Also need a hk91. Those are the ones that got away in the past.

  • Reply toot tall December 5, 2019 at 8:59 pm

    An MP 5 in semi auto … naw no thanks. That's like putting a neutered steer out to stud. Ain't gonna work.

    The 2A sanctuary counties, well I don't see that holding up. State and federal laws supercede anything a county can do. However, it might make for some interesting cases that might make it all the way to the supreme court. We'll just have to see how it works out.

  • Reply Matthew Klein December 5, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    I have to say I especially appreciate the recall coverage. I don't know that I would have ever heard of it anywhere else and it's very good to know. If you guys could stay on top of those kinds of things you will have become an even more valuable resource then what you already are and we need that in the community. ?

  • Reply RenjiMaili December 5, 2019 at 11:32 pm

    And like with every HK I'll just buy something else or build a 9mm AR, thanks.

  • Reply Snippersly December 6, 2019 at 12:28 am

    Its funny how the 2A Sanctuary only popped up under Trump. I didnt see such a huge push back under Obama. They are largely political and one election away from reverting back to normal or an Anti-2A "sanctuary." We have to take the power to control Rights out of the hands of politicians first… until then, every Right is a wavering entity.

  • Reply TheHortond December 6, 2019 at 2:17 am

    I bought a converted MP5 15 years ago with a registered sear for $10.5k. Not much more than a semi auto only. I will buy an HK if it gets under 2k.

  • Reply Jack Crow December 6, 2019 at 3:13 am

    and it's 3K.

  • Reply Cao Len December 6, 2019 at 3:20 am

    Can wait for the hk51 pistol

  • Reply Robert P Johnson December 6, 2019 at 6:01 am

    Question, can I fly with an 80% firearm?

  • Reply Payton Beck December 6, 2019 at 7:05 am

    The pricetag for HK's u.s. mp5 is huge I'm not paying that much for a PCC. I would get a clone as a novelty gun. PSA announced they're coming out with a clone and I'm sure it'll ballpark a nice, reasonable $500 or so and considering the performance of their ak variant PCC things seem very promising.

  • Reply Right Wing American MX Nationalist December 6, 2019 at 7:09 am

    I agree with you about our community. But I see a civil war when they try and take our weapons. Because they are coming. The 2A county's are good thing.

  • Reply eco8gator December 6, 2019 at 2:36 pm

    Your description of the SP5k is a little unfair; it makes a good addition to any MP5 collection. The missing paddle mag release was silly but easily added. But the SP5k is essentially an SP89 with minor mods. The 89 is pretty close to the MP5k.

    And the 4ish inch barrel is extremely accurate and is more than long enough for the effective range of the 9mm round.

  • Reply Cult of Crasus SWTOR December 6, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Sanctuary counties are BS and a waste of time, just a reason for local Fudds to get together and feel they are doing something. Say Virginia passes a law that restricts capacity to 10 rounds, and Appomattox County is a Sanctuary County. Say someone is caught with marijuana, and they also have a gun with 15 rounds, the moment the suspect is charged with too many rounds makes the whole movement hypocritical, weak, and without merit…..and it will happen. In Virginia there was a special session called for after a mass shooting, and the Republicans tabled all discussions, refused to move forward with any conversation or debate, and let down all their constituents and were applauded for it by said Fudds. When you had a forum that really mattered your reps were silent on your behalf, now you want to cry with sanctuary bs….weak.

  • Reply Augden Fischer December 6, 2019 at 10:01 pm

    for $2700 ill save up and get one with a giggle switch.

  • Reply William McCaslin December 6, 2019 at 11:03 pm

    Subguns should be full auto/ select fire, just my .02 , my personal opinion is I like 2A sanctuary county's/ city's taking a stand against the politicians that wish to stand against our wish's, I know that a census was done awhile ago an 70% of the country was for being an armed populace, whether it be SD, hunting or recreational sports.

  • Reply Michael Lo December 7, 2019 at 12:53 am

    If the LEO community in the 2A counties actually honor that resolution, it will make a difference. Otherwise, it's just elected officials pandering to their constituency. I can't help but wonder if the majority of people who back such a measure would put their lives on the line to ensure their liberty. I often wonder if I would have the fortitude myself.

  • Reply Ryan McGowan December 7, 2019 at 12:59 am

    John can you please help Virginia out and promoting our rally for January 20 in Richmond

  • Reply F Pav December 7, 2019 at 1:40 am

    Give that to Rob Ski and let him test it with 5,ooo rounds to see if 3,000 bucks is worth it. I have a Stribog 9mm and a PSA AKv 9mm, and both didn't even come to$ 1,600.00. AKv magazines [email protected] 14.00 bucks (35 rds.).. Stribog 25.00 for 10, 20 30 rd. magazines. $80.00 per mag !!! GTFOH !!!

  • Reply William Amacker December 7, 2019 at 2:21 am

    SP5 is so cool I love it ?

  • Reply Skeptical Skeksis December 7, 2019 at 3:19 am

    I’d buy at 2k not 3k

  • Reply John Denham December 7, 2019 at 4:34 am


  • Reply Nimble Archer December 7, 2019 at 5:44 am

    "You suck and we hate you"
    Maybe they can load rounds in the mag backwards (again).

  • Reply jhanks2012 December 7, 2019 at 1:05 pm

    don't need to be in a "sanctuary city" for the constitution to be the prevailing law of the land lmao … you can walk into a police headquarters in Los Angeles open carrying a rocket launcher and be WELL within your constitutional rights. No, i'm not making that up and trying to be provocative. that is literally the law here in the United States.

  • Reply GM 556 December 7, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Too pricey for a 9mm pistol, I had 2 SIG MPX sub guns then I came to my senses and traded them off for more guns and I'm much happier. If you have plenty of money to spend and don't care about an expensive shooter then have fun, but if you have one and baby it whats the point? HK should have competed with their competition in price but as usual company pride boasts about the Logo(Ego) of quality and price themselves nearly out of the market…….

    As for the gun industry, I worked in it for 10 years and did a lot of cool things, but be careful I found that it wasn't a good career move because there wasn't any benefits there. However I did manage to land a Security Contractor / instructor job because of the 10 years of firearms experience which was everything from suppressed 22 cal pistols to 25mm chain guns for the military. Yes it can still have a career option in the end somewhere else. Now I will say a very few Firearm manufacturers do care for their employees and spend money on them to further benefit company and employee. SIG Sauer careers for example, if you become a firearms instructor they will send you to places to learn more and make you a better instructor for their Academy and hope you like to travel. I've been to Ruger, Beretta, Knight's Armament, Century Arms, and a few others but no joy their guys, It's all fun to a point but you better have another source of income. Work along side many others from Remington, Barrett, Colt, HK, Taurus, Smith & Wesson and they have same stories as everyone else, fun at times but you can't live on low wages and support the gun habit too. Gun shops are a little different and vary because of the individual owner but lets face it the one who makes the money is the Business owner/FFL holder.

  • Reply aj f December 7, 2019 at 9:28 pm

    I want 1

  • Reply Michael X December 8, 2019 at 2:15 am

    They will all go to gunbroker for well above $3200.

  • Reply Jake Grube December 8, 2019 at 3:32 am

    the time for politics and voting is over, its time for action.

  • Reply Jon Beaudry December 8, 2019 at 7:18 am

    So now HK is bankrupt they want our money?

  • Reply Kevin Anderson December 8, 2019 at 7:52 pm

    2A sanctuary counties could be a great thing but I doubt they will have the balls needed to actually be effective when push comes will any county shove back?

  • Reply ScreamingSkullSaloon December 8, 2019 at 8:40 pm

    For $2700 I would much rather get a Cobalt Kinetics AR or save up a little more and get a Laugo Arms Alien 9mm.

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