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DRENCHED IN NEW GUNS! – TGC News

October 12, 2019


This week on TGC News, Winchester dunks on
Federal and LOTS of new guns! Welcome back to another episode of TGC News,
the only gun news show that covers things you actually care about, my name is Jon Patton. Before we get cracking I have something I
want to share with you guys. I’ve been asked about this for a long time
and finally, thanks to the help of the TGC Nation mods, I have a list for you guys of
every single promo code AND every single affiliate link that we currently have. So if you’re shopping online and you want
to support TGC in some way, check out this list. All you have to do is click through our link
or use our promo code and we will get credit. Thanks guys! Now how about some news? First up this week, Winchester has got to
be feeling good about themselves because they were recently awarded a contract to take over
the operations of the Army’s famed Lake City ammo plant in independence missouri. The contract is worth about 28 million dollars
and if all of the contract options are used, they could be running the plant up to 2029. Part of that contract will be manufacturing
pistol ammunition for the MHS or modular handgun system program and winchester has just introduced
the M1152 or Active Duty ammo line as a part of that. The ammo uses a flat nose full metal jacket
115 grain bullet and what they’re calling a “military-grade” primer. What I think might be interesting here is
that we currently look at XM193 and M855 ammo for 5.56 as standards for comparison. We haven’t really had that for 9mm. So perhaps this M1152 ammo will become that
standard, especially now that so many good things have come out of the MHS program. As far as civilian sales of the ammo, it will
come in 100 and 150 round boxes initially and unfortunately there isn’t much data on
pricing yet. I suspect it will be on the high side for
9mm on launch but maybe we will get lucky. What do you guys think of ammo like this? Does it make you want to switch your current
practice ammo choice just because the military is going to use it? Will it become the standard? Sound off in the comments and let’s talk about
it. I think it’s time once again to link up some
belted ammo and spool up the mini gun. We have a lot to cover and no time to do it. Here we go. Smith and wesson just announced a smaller
version of the M&P 2.0 line up, the subcompact. They will be available in 9, 40 and 45 with
and without a safety. The magazine capacity will be 12, 10 and 8
rounds respectively. The price? 569 bucks msrp. I don’t think this is a crazy move, but more
so a rounding out of the product line. If you wanted a small m2.0, you had to get
a shield before this. Browning has a new bolt gun. It’s called the X Bolt Max Varmint/Target. I suppose the varmint or target depends on
what caliber you get from the list. It’ll be available in 7 different calibers
from 204 ruger all the way up to 300 win mag. All of them will have match grade fluted and
threaded barrels made of stainless steel attached to the slick Xbolt action. That will be dropped into the Max stock which
has an adjustable cheek piece and a few other precision minded features to boot. The gun will come topped with a muzzle brake
instead of just a thread protector because when you pay anywhere near the MSRP of 1339
dollars, you want to be able to just go shoot right? Savage also has a few new rifles out. Sort of showing their commitment to precision
shooting they have introduced what they’re calling the Precision line of guns. First in that line is of course, the 110 Elite
Precision. It’ll be available in 8 different calibers
and the key with these is the factory blueprinted action and that they are drenched in goodies
from MDT. The vertical grip, the mags and of course
the chassis itself is all from MDT. Pricing on those starts at 1999 and goes up
to 2149 for the larger calibers. Savage also announced a few precision rimfire
guns in the A and B line. The A22 is a semi auto and the B series comes
in 22lr or 22 mag bolt actions. Again, these come with MDT chassis and a slightly
elevated price tag at 600 bucks. And Ruger is back in the news! It’s been a little bit since they ended their
streak of news coverage but they are back with a bunch of new rifles. First, the Hawkeye Hunter. The hawkeye line of rifles is on the upper
end of their product offerings. So it’s neat to see them expanding on that. The Hunter version is a blend of classic wood
stock and rugged stainless action. They’ll be available in 6.5, 308, 30-06, and
300 win from the start. All of which come threaded for a muzzle device
and the 300 win version actually includes such a device. The MSRP on these comes in at 1099 dollars. And now, as you guys requested, Patton’s Armory. This is a segment where I grab one of my personal
guns and tell you guys about it. This is my M1 Garand, now this I acquired
because it happened to be sitting on a Shelf at a shop for Consignment and the price tag
they wanted was like 1,200 bucks and around here that’s about what you see on a decent-looking
Garand and I said what’s the bottom that that guy is going to take I want to I want to get
a deal on that if I can and I ended up walking out, I think I paid 8 or 900 bucks for this. I’ve never actually shot it, I should probably
do that some time. But it is a old-school Garand, I don’t know
if it’s all numbers matching I don’t really care to be quite honest with you I’m not a
big Milsurp-guy I just wanted to have one of these in the collection so I made that
happen. I know that one’s not super exciting but hey,
they’re not all super exciting, I think it’s a cool gun, either way. If you guys enjoyed this little look at my
guns, and want to see more, let me know in the comments. This time our questions are coming from YouTube,
I asked for your questions and you guys delivered! I think they are a fun thing. I have a hard time believing they would be
just as good as a factory made can BUT i’ve never tested that out so i can’t say for sure. If you’re a guy that likes to tinker, that’s
a solid option for fun. Clint Smith, Kyle Lamb and Chris Costa. I feel like those guys are all legendary in
different ways and have a ton of knowledge to be leached. If I was using an AR for home defense I would
use a defensive round. Probably a controlled chaos copper bullet
from lehigh defense. Yes absolutely. It would suck to do because moving isn’t fun
when it’s just a house, let alone an entire business with it. However, if things got bad enough and I couldn’t
do business here anymore, then yes I would absolutely move. Man that is tough to answer. I’ve never had that much money so it’s tough
to fathom how much is possible with it. I think I would try to work with groups like
FPC and GOA to determine the shortcomings of our current set up and try to push for
education and enthusiasm in all 50 states. I don’t mean to give those 2 groups all that
money, I simply mean, working with them as advisors to my efforts. We need lobbying, we need lawyers and we need
education. I don’t know the correct amounts to spend
but those are the things that stand out to me right now. I’m sure you guys will slam some great suggestions
in the comments as well. My friendly fire question to you guys this
week, i know a lot of you guys are still very much pissed off at springfield armory, rock
river, daniel defense, x-products and a few other brands, Sound off in the comments below and if you
want to ask a friendly fire question, send it to me over on theguncollective.com! That is it for this week’s show. Guys if you disliked this video, hit that
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the video description below. Be sure to check us out on Subscribestar! We have that YUGE affiliate list, link to that is available in the description! And as always, thank you all for watching, we’ll see you soon!

100 Comments

  • Reply Alex Simpson October 8, 2019 at 5:19 am

    Military grade primer isn't saying very much…

  • Reply Holland October 8, 2019 at 5:24 am

    I don't really know; Springfield has been on the naughty list for a long time specifically because they were so scummy as to advocate for laws that would apply to basically everyone but them and Rock River. It's hard to say that they'd ever get my trust back even if they put their money where their mouth is. Once you dig yourself into a hole, it's pretty hard to get back out of it.

  • Reply Mark Hergott October 8, 2019 at 5:24 am

    I haven't had a single box of good winchester ammo in 15 years… its low quality and over priced. I feel sorry for out military

  • Reply Barry Lynne October 8, 2019 at 5:25 am

    Gonna be a huge price drop on Federal,time to cache In fellas!

  • Reply William Paulo October 8, 2019 at 5:42 am

    gasp!! a military grade primer?!?! i bet it will be banned in cali in less than a year lol.

  • Reply keith moore October 8, 2019 at 5:49 am

    what do they have to do, well lets see start with a 7+ figure donation to GOA and SAF two pull a Ronny Barret and make a  very public plain  to the point and loud public announcement to all govt. agencies that if they oppose our gun rights they can take their business and shove it sideways!! three fully fund a lawsuit that would force any and all gun laws past present and future to be compliant with the common meanings of the words in the second amendment!! that alone would kill all gun laws passed since 1900!! four make damn sure no enemy politicians get elected period!! if it takes posting a bounty for dirt on them so be it they stepped in it they can clean it up!!!

  • Reply Ringing Steel October 8, 2019 at 6:31 am

    That sultry sax music in the background tho

  • Reply Ringing Steel October 8, 2019 at 6:38 am

    As an IL state resident, with the dealer licensing act now a reality, Springfield and RRA will never get any of my money. Roughly half of IL dealers have shut down do the licensing fee that they supported to save themselves. Hopefully those two companies financial shortcomings will serve as a warning to the rest of manufacturers. What could they do to earn my trust? Close shop, file bankruptcy, and leave the market.

  • Reply Jose Reyes October 8, 2019 at 6:41 am

    Am I the only one super excited for the SubCompact S&W 2.0? Man I've been waiting for it, holding off from getting the first gen version.

  • Reply Aalaramie October 8, 2019 at 7:08 am

    Patton's Armory needs sexy close-ups! We need to SEE the gun!

  • Reply Tommy Ohlrich October 8, 2019 at 8:11 am

    Lake city quite pills

  • Reply Otis Nelson October 8, 2019 at 8:11 am

    I almost got a tanker m1 garand for 900. kicking myself to this day that I didnt

  • Reply Andrew K. October 8, 2019 at 9:26 am

    I don't know how many tanks you can by for a million dollars but I would do that and start a Boogaloo

  • Reply Paul F October 8, 2019 at 9:28 am

    I own a Springfield Armory EMP 3 1911 . It's an outstanding firearm. The people, who work at Springfield Armory are also outstanding. Don't measure a company by it's owner or leadership! How many of you use Facebook, Amazon, Apple and Google (oh you watch these videos on YouTube owned by Google). All of the mentioned are anti-2nd amendment or huge monopolies dominating any small businesses putting those out of business. Some of these Tech giants are spying on you 24/7 activities then selling your personal information or data to any company for Billions of $. A couple are assisting our enemies with atrocities against their citizens but won't support the US government agencies.

    Springfield Armory company is more than a couple jerk management level individuals and stupid actions they perpetrated. Their greedy activities are Kindergarten level compared to most of those high Tech companies named.

  • Reply Chance Carlton October 8, 2019 at 10:42 am

    I never found the S&W agreement so bad. They put a lock on a revolver…so what.

  • Reply Kelbini 76 October 8, 2019 at 11:14 am

    Move to West Virginia! Gun freedom state!!!

  • Reply Kelbini 76 October 8, 2019 at 11:18 am

    Springfield and co. should have a second amendment sale. Not a weak sale but a true like 50% off or something for like one week, Just to show how much they want our business. Just a thought. I will still buy their products though I think they are trying to do right these days and they make great products. I recently purchased a saint Edge pistol, Its a beast!

  • Reply Cogzed October 8, 2019 at 11:27 am

    You need to lose some weight bro. Or your not going to be shooting much longer.

  • Reply Dennis Bush October 8, 2019 at 11:39 am

    How would companies regain my trust? Simple stand up to the media/politicians! The next time company "X" gets attacked by media/politician "Y" tell them bugger off, explain why the media/politician is wrong, then keep doubleling down standing up for THEIR right to do business.

  • Reply 24 and 7 October 8, 2019 at 11:49 am

    Most winchester ammo sucks balls..federal always better ammo for law enforcement..alot police shops wont even carry winchester products..

  • Reply James Smith October 8, 2019 at 11:53 am

    To regain fallen trust "Before we let you leave, your commander must cross that field, present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse." William Wallace
    I believe, like Wallace, that humility is needed from those who betrayed trust.

  • Reply Quinn Wall October 8, 2019 at 11:57 am

    They r like cheating wives, can you really ever trust them again? Nope….

  • Reply TheReindeer TheRabbitTheBat October 8, 2019 at 11:57 am

    Let's see a little more of that M1. Bring us along for some first shots? Nice rifle 👍.

  • Reply ETHRON1 October 8, 2019 at 12:25 pm

    Good answer John, sorry to put you on the spot…oh and the E is short….as in end…eth. lol.

  • Reply Nasty One October 8, 2019 at 12:37 pm

    Daniel defense needs to divorce he’s slut of a wife.
    Springfield Armory & Rock river can move the fucking hell out of the state that they are in. You see THC if we support them we support those motherfuckers in their states and as far as I’m concerned their children can go hungry before I support A bunch of democrats loving bitches. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • Reply John Smith October 8, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    The win active duty ammo is the average training ammo price. Its sold at Academy here in texas

  • Reply Bill Fairfax October 8, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    Although it would be great if all firearms manufacturers could always support the 2nd Amendment fully without regard for their businesses . It's not very realistic to think that any company can simply ignore the anti gun community and not worry that they may get laws passed in the States that you're located ,have no effect on your business . So you have to do something in Springfields case they did a terrible job of oversight and many things that shouldn't have been done in their name were .But after a public apology and the fact that they're no longer involved should get them back to just being another firearms company . Why is it necessary to hold a grudge forever consider the fact that if closely examined it's likely a lot more companies would fall in the same category of betrayers of the 2nd ,soon you'd just be buying from patriotic companies like HI Point LOL .

  • Reply Z-Link Corrupted October 8, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    We need more semi-autos in 30.06.
    Change my mind.

  • Reply DJBUZZ 999 October 8, 2019 at 1:30 pm

    Springfield can send me one of them ass kissing boxes and let me have that sweet gun… Lol

  • Reply CAROLINA PATRIOT October 8, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    No desire to buy expensive FMJ ammo for practice. I'll go with cheap FMJ. Now if it was HP dual purpose practice and defensive at a low price, that's different.

  • Reply Ya Boi Dayron October 8, 2019 at 1:40 pm

    Wouldn't the military grade primer be sealed and crimped so that it is impervious to moisture and protected from jiggling loose under full auto fire?

  • Reply Keith Plymale October 8, 2019 at 1:54 pm

    All of these companies would have to make very obvious efforts to protect and defend the Second Amendment. Giving financial support to legal efforts fighting infringement laws would be a start.

  • Reply Ya Boi Dayron October 8, 2019 at 1:55 pm

    Anything more than fmj is perfectionism in action. If you opt for a better round, there is nothing wrong with that. Obviously, better performance is better period. If You are actually, seriously concerned about the difference it makes, you shouldn't be. You already have a highly effective round in a good platform, you are just eeking out the last few drops of performance at that point.

  • Reply KGiustOD October 8, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    I only care about M1152 if Winchester uses those millions in tax dollars to pass on cheap ball ammo to us. If the surplus is cheap, then I’ll shoot it.

  • Reply Keane Matthews October 8, 2019 at 2:00 pm

    What would they (benedict arnold companies) have to do to regain my trust? They would have to quit being fence-sitters and go all-in with the 2A. No more trying to appease the anti-gun progressives. As for Cheaper Than Dirt, they will never get my business again – no matter what.

  • Reply gstea1 October 8, 2019 at 2:20 pm

    S&w has made a Subcompact m&p 9MM for years.

  • Reply Ghost Hack October 8, 2019 at 2:22 pm

    The only way these companies can regain the public's trust is for them to keep their mouths shut, focus on product development and offer up some sweet discount codes.

  • Reply John JHP October 8, 2019 at 2:23 pm

    Great stuff as usual.

    As far as the Winchester active duty stuff, this offering won’t change my practice ammo at all…unless the price comes in at or lower than the offerings I currently use. It also must have good reliability and decent accuracy. There are a couple Winchester offerings, particularly their steel (forged I think) line that is junk, and the white box stuff is pretty erratic from my experience. Their defend line is my go to carry ammunition though.

    Keep the Patton’s armory coming. I like seeing the collection.

  • Reply Erik Anderson October 8, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    Glad S&W brought back the original M&P9c form factor

  • Reply Tyler Hulan October 8, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    That m1152 ammo is $34.99 for 150 rounds. I work at academy and we've had it in stock for like 2 weeks.

  • Reply HachiZenki October 8, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    Winchester uses a truncated cone round with a 'military grade primer'? Welp, if anyone wanted to test their pistol's feeding and ignition reliability, this is the round to do it with. All they have to do is take their shitty shitty shitty 'USA Forged' steel cases and put these rounds with these primers in them to make for a total reliability testing round. If your pistol can handle these, then it can shoot the crappiest ammo any 3rd world nation could domestically produce.

  • Reply Matt Patton October 8, 2019 at 4:02 pm

    Oh man. I hope I'm not still in Iraq when the new Winchester LC ammo hits supply. Winchester ammo sucks butthole. Remember, as a civilian, you can buy better than military quality!

    And we have had the 9mm equivalent of M855/M193. It's called 9mm NATO.

  • Reply SB 1960 October 8, 2019 at 4:49 pm

    Congratulations in getting to 200,000 plus subscribers!

  • Reply Matthew Green October 8, 2019 at 5:21 pm

    Bought a Garand – doesnt know anything about it… This is what happens when “Hondasport Civic guys” get into guns. Welcome to the club – you have a long long way to go. Keep trying.

  • Reply Logan Peters October 8, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    what about the new Canik?

  • Reply Craig68 68 October 8, 2019 at 5:35 pm

    SHOOT YOUR GUNS, PATTON!

  • Reply James Ivy October 8, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    As for the question. I want the traitorous companies to go out of business that way it sends a Stern warning to the industry otherwise whats stopping them from a slap on the wrist

  • Reply Hubert Ski October 8, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    In the past history, any TRAITORS would be shoot.
    Going against the grain of the Bill of rights and it’s devoted citizens, is a NO.
    Once a trust is lost, there is no going back.

  • Reply Rich E Rich October 8, 2019 at 8:04 pm

    The companies like Springfield and Benchmade among others in industry will just not get my money. What would they have to do to change my mind I honestly can't tell you, just no… Actually would like to train with Rob Pincus, I just feel he has a crazy side lol..

  • Reply Medium Speed Some Drag October 8, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    I don’t know about SA. I think the market is so full of awesome options that I don’t think about them as much. it’s easy to just skip over them and onto another manufacturer. I’d say getting a bunch of the big YT channels to come together and discuss it live might get help. It’d definitely cause some camps but it would also bring all of the public details to light for the community and let switched on consumers move on in either direction.

  • Reply mick wells October 8, 2019 at 8:18 pm

    The anti-2nd Amendment manufacturers can kiss off permanently in my opinion. One foul up is all it takes. I've seen a lotta YouTube goobers flaunting all over the hellcat pistol. Each one who french kissed Springfield's butt in their reviews I unsubscribed from. For me you have one chance to stand your ground. If you fail just to gain attention for yourself and your channel or because THEY contacted you and ya nearly had an orgasm then you're the same as they are. Out for #1. So these manufacturers and youtubers can kiss ol' rusty ! Who needs them ?? I don't !! One foul up and you are history.

  • Reply 15wylee October 8, 2019 at 8:32 pm

    Partner up with GOA

  • Reply Jim Kunkle October 8, 2019 at 8:34 pm

    Cross Breed isn't on you Partners page, and the America Grip link is broken.

  • Reply Brandon Arthur October 8, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    Ruger also just introduced the PC 9 Carbine with pistol grip and adjustable butt stock. Three days after I bought the M-LOK version. kind of pissed off about it.

  • Reply M1A2 Abrams October 8, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    Besides lawyers and consultants you will need a good server system for computers to host all the 2a stuff and get google and other companies out of picture and have it searchable from all platforms

  • Reply Erik Forks October 8, 2019 at 10:30 pm

    My practice ammo comes from a Dillon…but I do use Winchester primers…

  • Reply Matt Fleming October 8, 2019 at 10:52 pm

    Wow. The grand and it's not that cool? Wtf. Lol. You even gun bro??? Haha

  • Reply Kilroy44 None October 8, 2019 at 11:20 pm

    No Garand is "Numbers matching". Nothing special. Idiot! Its one of the best semi auto battle rifles ever made….

  • Reply steve higgs October 8, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    sp he.s saying he would keep all the money????

  • Reply Michael Byers October 9, 2019 at 12:40 am

    Come to Kansas! Wichita would welcome you with open arms!

  • Reply Sigvar October 9, 2019 at 12:52 am

    What an Absolutely fantastic title!

  • Reply Mark Rounds October 9, 2019 at 12:56 am

    Hard question on the "gain my trust". I use a Daniel Defense and a Springfield XDM9 5.25 in 3Gun competition and I never thought much about the situations involving them. Daniel Defense certainly made be doubt them when they pulled thier products off of Academy's shelves for nothing more than " the AR15s are in the back" statement, but thier support of the NICS was "understandable but misguided". I support a strengthening of NICS but that specific bill was bad.

    On the other gun Springfield has that bad stain on thier record but have been pretty supportive of the Gun community otherwise.

    All in all I like these guns and the companies that made them, while not being the most aggressive 2a advocates out there, are supporters of the Second Amendment and I know they will continue to do so.

  • Reply Battlehymn63 October 9, 2019 at 2:37 am

    Huh, didn't know 300 WINMAG was considered a varmint round.
    You holding up that M1 and saying "this is my …" made me think of Full Metal Jacket.

  • Reply ichor20 October 9, 2019 at 3:04 am

    That Savage 110 looks slick AF!

  • Reply Edward Byrd October 9, 2019 at 3:28 am

    I dont shoot any Winchester ammo. case head separations In 308 and just about every type of failure, short of catastrophic, in 9mm and .40. if you really really want to train for failures shoot Winchester.

  • Reply AR-MD October 9, 2019 at 3:30 am

    Regain my trust? 15 round 9mm the size of a shield haha

  • Reply BeastMode11 October 9, 2019 at 3:54 am

    Nothing, left those companies behind

  • Reply Fuckk Face October 9, 2019 at 5:18 am

    Who buys a gun and never fires it? Im a collector and enjoy and have fired everything i own. To buy and never use is some elitist shit bag habit

  • Reply Matt McGraw October 9, 2019 at 6:19 am

    I like to know yours idea about Wildcat e I'm a big wild counter and I have a number of different Wildcat cartridges

  • Reply Matteo October 9, 2019 at 6:39 am

    What would a company have to do that's has betrayed the 2nd?
    Simple remove or fire the executives that were involved in the decision to do so. In otherwords cut the cancer out! And then said company would have to actively support and promote 2A rights.

  • Reply RowdyRon October 9, 2019 at 6:45 am

    Great content Jon. Love your channel. Thanks.

  • Reply Brock Bowen October 9, 2019 at 7:06 am

    admit their failure. fire the person responsible. Make a example of them. Show they want to earn the trust back. Support the 2nd Amendment. Lower prices to get people back. Even if its a loss in short term.

  • Reply Dee-Bee Kooper October 9, 2019 at 8:47 am

    M&P pistols… so much "who cares" and broken-by-design garbage you can almost hear them hit the bottom of the toilet.

  • Reply JediSamson October 9, 2019 at 11:06 am

    What would the gun companies have to do to regain my trust?
    Nothing. Let me clarify:
    This is a stupid arguement for people to be having. I don't personally believe that any Mercantile organization really has the customers' best interest at heart, rather, they're just trying to make money on either side of the fence and playing off their allegiances wherever it will benefit them. My take?
    I won't say "suck it up and settle" despite the fact that our boycotts and grievances are meaningless (they ALL supply guns to various police organizations and military, they don't need US at all) but what I will say is…just stand by your convictions and don't shame others who don't agree with those ideas (within the gun community, anyway). I only buy what I can afford and what I think looks good and I don't make a lot of money. Brand is meaningless to me.
    Aaaannndd cue the people roasting me in 3.
    2.
    1…

  • Reply gator nation October 9, 2019 at 11:17 am

    Springfield armory, Colt, Dick's sporting goods, Benchmade…I will not support any of these gun and knife manufacturer's until they actually put real money in the game of protecting and restoring our second amendment rights. Nothing short of that will get my families business. EVER

  • Reply Jessica Mills October 9, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    Winchester lost me with their USA Forged bs with a casing made of sandpaper.

  • Reply Ryan Wiseley October 9, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    Couldn't find pricing?

    https://www.brownells.com/ammunition/handgun-ammo/active-duty-m1152-9mm-luger-ammo-prod130708.aspx

  • Reply nomadic K October 9, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    You know what?! You need to shoot that Garand, that's what I want to see in Patton's armory next time. God I wish I had so many guns I just couldn't shoot all of them. But alas I am a peasant.

  • Reply The Shootin' Dutchman October 9, 2019 at 5:03 pm

    Beautiful Garand!

  • Reply MrTiger310 October 9, 2019 at 5:34 pm

    Winchester's M1152 $34.99 @ Academy for 150 rounds

  • Reply R. patrick Craig October 9, 2019 at 5:40 pm

    we are a community need to 'relate' to those against guns, so we have to portray guns for personal defense for everyone, right now the media only shows the AR15 as a military rifle used for mass shootings..not an accurate stance, but we need grassroots and multimedia campaigns showing real personal prorection events that happened, and to accurately explain the 2nd amendment (muskets were never mentioned, and don't meet the force or govt we'd be facing now, etc)

  • Reply MrAPCProductions October 9, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    M1152 has an advertised velocity of 1320 out of a 4 inch barrel…..

  • Reply Retoksquid October 9, 2019 at 7:59 pm

    "Military grade" sounds good, that is until you spend most of your life having to use "military grade items", then you yearn for "consumer grade" items that last and or work properly. 😎

    As far as the company question. They would have to openly and aggressively lobby, support, and provide at the local, county, state and federal level for all gun rights, education programs and sporting activities in our public and private schools, the financial community, and other parts of our society. Then continue to do so.

  • Reply Jones October 9, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    Donuts & an apology—I’m a cheap date.

  • Reply gradyhue October 9, 2019 at 11:43 pm

    The new M&P is just the 2.0 version on the 9C.

  • Reply Wisky-56 October 10, 2019 at 12:09 am

    Hey John, will the firearm youtubers unite to make an independent site for yalls content? The History guys (like Armchair Historian & AlternateHistoryHub) united and ended up making there own site for there content.

  • Reply Jack Uber October 10, 2019 at 1:47 am

    Friendly Fire Question: First, all current execs must resign…promote a product engineer or some other qualified internal employee to run the company; Second, donate all profits received since the betraying action to the GOA and one of the gun owner legal defense agencies as an endowment for poor gun owners; and Last: go on national television and other media and sincerely, without any Clintonesque evasions, apologise to all gun owners and all Americans for their condiscention, their arrogance, their selfishness, their extreme cynicism, and their utter disrespect.

  • Reply VT Concerned Citizen October 10, 2019 at 3:17 am

    NO on M1152, I thought they are or were using 124gr 9MM ammo, much better than 115gr ammo IMHO

  • Reply Pharmdkeith October 10, 2019 at 7:24 am

    I dont wanna carry the new 9mm ammo in my carry guns b/c i have the option of using holler'points unlike the military.

  • Reply SigGuy 320 October 10, 2019 at 8:20 am

    To regain gun owner trust, these compromising companies need to be completely transparent with their customer base. They need to show us where their donations are going and make that information readily available. They should also team up with groups like FPC and GOA, and get active in the fight (and no, the archetype of compromise, the NRA, doesn't count as a legitimate gun rights organization).

  • Reply Gilly Gil October 10, 2019 at 12:18 pm

    2A Rally Washington, DC Nov 2

  • Reply WitchDoc October 10, 2019 at 2:44 pm

    Nope. Practice ammo is all about price. Period.

  • Reply DiagnosticsOnDemand October 10, 2019 at 3:46 pm

    The military standard is the lowest bidder

  • Reply bigB6flyer October 10, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    They’d have to refuse to sell to any state’s police departments that doesn’t sell same items to citizens.

  • Reply Quinn Davis October 10, 2019 at 7:57 pm

    ok the saxaphone ad music has grown on me

  • Reply Ruger Shooter October 10, 2019 at 11:16 pm

    In my rifles my practice ammo and my "duty" ammo are the same, there is way too much variance in how rifle ammo performs. For some reason pistol ammo doesn't seem to have that problem, I'm guessing it is because of the shorter ranges and slower velocities.

    I use have been using Winchester 9mm, 380, and .22 for practice ammo…….I have been looking at others(one you advertise) because they are cheaper for practice, as long as they hit where I aim they're good.

  • Reply CrimsonmileTV October 11, 2019 at 10:25 am

    The answer to your question:
    Those companies showed their true colors. Human rights are not something you get to make a mistake with. Anything they do to appease gun owners is nothing more than pandering for money. I will not let nostalgia or personification of a corporation blind me. They are not your neighbor who accidentally did something. They are industry insiders and leaders who thought you were too lazy or stupid to care. There is nothing they can do that would get me to buy their products or promote their merch or even speak neutrally about them.
    Short answer: No. They can burn in hell

  • Reply Mirilidien October 11, 2019 at 12:58 pm

    Those companies would have to sponsor national training courses, hopefully aimed at new firearms owners to expand and inform the community, along with making a public statement, and actions to back it up, of not budging an inch on 2A rights for all individuals and companies.

  • Reply Briarus HECATONCHEIRES October 11, 2019 at 7:26 pm

    regain my trust? actively support and be involved in legislation that protects the 2nd amendment and returns rights infringed upon. AFTER those laws, legislation, etc… have passed then i might start to trust them a bit more.

  • Reply Silver Creek Slim October 12, 2019 at 1:19 am

    Everyone should own an M1 Garand.

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