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The Story of HD Retrovision / MY LIFE IN GAMING

January 14, 2020

[ TRY ] We’re here at MAGFest, near Washington
DC, 3 days of non-stop video game madness. And it’s here that we got a chance to meet
up with HD Retrovision, who shares a very similar passion to ours, about getting the
best picture out of your retro consoles. [ STE ] I want to make all these old consoles
future-proof… playable on this new technology that we kind of can’t avoid. [ TRY ] Ste Kulov and Nick Mueller grew up
near Chicago and met their freshman year in high school. Ste was the Nintendo guy, and Nick was the
Sega guy. Years later, around 2007, when Ste was studying
electrical engineering, he finally got around to buying a Sega Genesis of his own. [ STE ] And I hooked the thing up and I’m
like squinting at the TV because I’m playing Shadowrun, which has a lot of text in it,
and I… it’s all blurry and I thought, the guy that sold it to me on eBay, like sent
me a bunk Genesis. [ TRY ] But the Genesis was fine… the problem
was that Sega Genesis consoles output particularly poor composite video, which is normally the
best signal that the system can output to consumer televisions in North America. Back in the 90s, composite video, while not
ideal, didn’t look nearly so terrible thanks to the way that older CRT televisions receive
and display the signal. But modern TVs aren’t built with retro consoles
in mind. [ STE ] I mean, you can pick up old equipment,
but still like, it’s inconvenient. Like big CRTs are, if you’re moving, they’re
hard to carry around, they’ll break eventually, the people who know how to fix them are sadly
passing away… [ TRY ] After discovering that the Sega Genesis
is actually capable of outputting a very high quality RGB signal, which is not normally
compatible with North American consumer televisions, Ste decided to turn his desire to get a better
image out of his console into a project for his electrical engineering class. [ TRY ] I made this really crude circuit,
got it working the day before it was due. [ TRY ]It was a small start, but it did work. By pulling the Genesis’s native RGB output
and converting it to the YPbPr color space, usable through most modern TVs’ component
video inputs, Ste was able to display a much cleaner image on his HDTV. The project sat on the shelf for years, until
one day when he saw a Super Nintendo cable lying on the floor, and the idea struck. [ STE ] I’m like, “Hey that fat part in
the connector end, I wonder what’s in that thing?” And so I cracked it open and it was like blank
space, and I’m like, “Ah I think I can fit a circuit board in here, in this space,”
and that’s kind of what the project has been ever since. [ NICK ]He came to me and decided that he
wanted to turn this into a real thing, make a company out of it. We both have very similar interests, so it
was just a natural fit. [ TRY ] Ste and Nick formed HD Retrovision
– The idea being that they would develop convenient and affordable products to help retro consoles
fit in with the HD age. Their first products are component cables
for Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis, which they ran a successful Kickstarter for in November
2014. [ NICK ]We’re wrapping up development of
our prototypes, and then we will move to do a big production run. [ TRY ] And they’ve put a lot more effort
into developing the prototypes that will go into production than Ste put into that class
project almost 8 years ago. They’ve continued to tirelessly optimize
and test the conversion process using their own software developed in-house. [ STE ] Gotta double-check. If you’re gonna sell something, you have
to make absolutely sure it’s done right. [ TRY ] While making a one-of-a-kind Dreamcast
component cable for Nick as a Christmas present several years ago, Ste discovered just how
much of a challenge it is to ensure that performance is equal across multiple versions of the hardware. [ STE ]… and I measured the signals and
then I plugged it into a different one and the signals were different! And so I went around to all my friends getting
their Dreamcasts, and I gathered up like six Dreamcasts, and I measured all the signals
and I kinda got like an average measurement from all of them, and I based the circuit
on that average measurement. [ TRY ] While all models of the Super Nintendo
(except for the so-called SNES Mini) are capable of outputting RGB video, there are actually
many internal revisions of the console that aren’t easily identifiable. [ STE ] Even though on the outside it looks
the same, inside there’s different chips that affect what can be output out of that
signal. [ TRY ] Having acquired all revisions of the
console for testing and calibration, Ste and Nick are confident that their Super Nintendo
cables are universal for all North American Super Nintendo systems except for the Mini. The Sega Genesis model 1 cable will also work
with the model 1 Sega Master System, and the Sega Genesis model 2 cable will even work
with the Sega Nomad, which Ste brought to MAGFest for our demonstration. They hope that this is just the beginning
for HD Retrovision. [ NICK ] Our Kickstarter backers have filled
out a survey to tell us what other products they might be interested in. So we’ve had answers from Playstation cables,
Dreamcast, which we already a have a prototype for, and a lot of people really want kind
of a cheaper alternative to the Framemeister. [ TRY ] The Framemeister, which we’ve covered
extensively here on My Life in Gaming, is a video scaler designed with retro consoles
in mind, and dramatically improves the clarity of these consoles on HDTVs while adding minimal
lag. Some research and design has already been
carried out for an upscaling device that HD Retrovision calls the “HDMIzer.” When HD Retrovision first launched the Kickstarter,
some people mistook the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis cables as upscaling solutions. [ NICK ] That’s a much more expensive set
of things that you need to do in order to get that done. So what we’re doing is just bringing the
signal that’s at the console to the TV in a way that wasn’t available before. We’re just providing another option out
there. [ TRY ] With these first products, they want
to offer a cost-effective solution for retro fans who don’t want to deal with the expenses
and complications associated with using RGB SCART cables in North America, or can’t
afford expensive video processors like the Framemeister. [ NICK ] Not everyone necessarily needs an
external processor. Really depends on each individual person’s
unique setup. [ TRY ] Without an upscaler, some HDTVs might
not accept signals from pre-Dreamcast consoles, which mostly output at a lower resolution
called 240p. Certain HDTVs also display 240p better than
others. Of the major manufacturers, Ste and Nick praise
Samsung HDTVs for properly identifying 240p, and their research into current TV manufacturing
trends suggests that 240p incompatibility is actually becoming even less of an issue. HD Retrovision cables might also be useful
for purists who prefer to play their retro consoles on CRTs. [ NICK ] A lot of people have those Trinitrons
that look pretty nice, and have component inputs. I think one of our people that have one of
our early prototypes uses a CRT and loves it. [ TRY ] We already thought this sounded like
a really cool project, but actually seeing the cables perform in person, it’s a lot
more impressive than we thought it was going to be. It was really cool to talk to Ste and Nick
about this passion, and it’s obvious that they are fully dedicated to bringing their
Kickstarter backers and future customers a product that they can feel proud of. [ STE ] It’s a lot of time, it’s a lot
of late nights. But the bonus is, I like working on this stuff. So it gets me through it. And my favorite type of support is like, I
get these emails, which are great, they’re like, “we think this is the best stuff,
I can’t wait for this product, I can’t wait for this product, we think this is amazing.” And it really helps me through the late-nighters
and all-nighters hearing that type of stuff, because if I didn’t have that, it’s like,
why am I doing this? Why am I taking years off my life to do this
if nobody cares? I just want to give people something that
I would like to myself use.


  • Reply Game Dave February 20, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    Now THAT is how you do an interview. Great video and great information!

  • Reply megamanfan1500 February 20, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    I remember hearing about this while in the Kickstarter phase, and thinking it was a great idea. Ste and Nick seem like cool guys, and with the recent boom of retro gaming, this seems like the perfect time to release a product like this. The market is definitely there, and for people who (understandably) don't want to pay the cost of the XRGB mini, or a Sony PVM, this looks like the perfect alternative to get a great picture out of your retro consoles. Great job, guys. 

  • Reply theimporter February 20, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    Considering that analog inputs are pretty much fading away from modern TVs, an upscaler won't be an option fin the near future. Still, I'm happy these guys made their product, gives people more options at the moment.

  • Reply X-Hunter February 20, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    way fuckin cool, I definitely want to see this product see the light of day!

  • Reply MoonSpirit February 20, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    I remember these guys! And hearing they want to make a cheaper version of the Framemeister makes me even happier. I hope to get their stuff real soon.

  • Reply Mellow Gaming February 20, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    Any ideas how well these would work with PAL consoles. Would be great for recording gameplay as composite isn't ideal at all and I don't think an adaptor exists for the Elgato that would take SCART. 

    Also, would that SNES cable work with N64 too? I tend to use the GC composite cable for my SNES and N64. 

  • Reply FirebrandX February 20, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Small world! I was just talking to Ste in email and sending him links to My Life in Gaming videos, and here he is getting interviewed by them! Although I now own a Framemeister, I'm still a full supporter of the project and have donated for both cables back when the Kickstarter was running. Mainly I like the portability and affordability of them, since there's no way I'm going to haul my Framemeister gear around to other people's houses.

  • Reply koreanjedi February 20, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Nice video. Any plans for NES RGB cable?

  • Reply Whiteysnakey February 20, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    Unfortunately new TV's are being sold without "component" these days even "VGA" has been dropped along with "Composite" and "S-Video" also "SCART" if you are in the EU. It will HDMI or nothing before to long and an up-scaler will be a must buy going forward.

  • Reply Zealon February 20, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    It's a good idea for those who already have older HDTVs that can accept a 240p signal and able to scale it to be visible. A lot of new HDTVs do not accept 240p or it will detect a sync, but it has no way of scaling that signal to be displayed. They might as well get going on making a video scaler of their own and address some of the fall backs of the XRGB-mini: 
    The amount of time it takes to sync the input takes way too long when switching between resolutions (like game menus) or game systems or games.
    The issues with some interlaced signals not being output properly and also an all metal housing, or maybe stronger plastic. Add on a freaking VGA input for Dreamcast and I'll be happy.

    They should work on making proper automatic component switch boxes as well that have at least 4 inputs and range up to 8 inputs for those that want all of their systems hooked up. And if they want to appeal to the RGB crowd then they should offer a 8 or 10-way SCART switch for those of us who can never go back after seeing RGB is all of its beauty.

  • Reply Nexus Art Realm February 20, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Thank you guys once again, for pursuing such a cool retro endeavor!  I can't wait to open up my wallet for a set of these cables. Long have I wondered what it'd be like to play my 16 bit consoles with the video signals sent through component connection. I noticed a great deal of improvement when I connected my Wii, PS2 and GC via component cable. Especially when connected to a CRT model that supports component. The picture is beautiful! 

    Godspeed gentlemen. 😉

  • Reply Adam Zey February 21, 2015 at 4:36 am

    This is a really exciting product, because no matter how perfect the Framemeister is, not many people want to spend $400+ just to hook their SNES up to a TV. Not every TV works with 240p, but if you've got one that does, these cables would be an extremely more affordable way to get a good quality signal out.

    I tested my SNES on my two display devices over composite video. My Dell U2711 monitor makes a terrible mess of it, resulting in ugly combing artifacts. My Epson 8345 projector, though, handles the input perfectly, and does a much better job of minimizing the ugly composite artifacts too. I feel like with these cables, my Epson projector should produce nearly as good an image as a Framemeister would!

    I just hope they have a lot of extras to sell, because the kickstarter was over by the time I heard about these cables.

  • Reply Enigma//UnboxedTV February 21, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    I really hope their Nintendo Cable works with RGB Modded N64s

  • Reply grizzlytomahawk February 22, 2015 at 12:27 am

    Wow, just WOW! People like Ste, Nick, Try4ce, and Coury are making possible the concepts I've literally dreamed of! It's awesome to know that there are kindred spirits out there more enterprising than me breathing life back into the retro consoles that I adore so much…KEEP UP THE AMAZING WORK, GENTLEMEN!

  • Reply Sixfortyfive February 24, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    I can't help but feel that someone with a lot of retro consoles would be better served by a single SCART-to-component converter. It'd be functionally identical and, in the long run, probably cheaper and easier than buying/making specialized cables for each individual console.

    Can't deny the convenience factor of this, though, and it's nice to hear about some of the research they've done on 240p compatibility in modern TVs.

    EDIT: If these cables aren't actually scaling anything, then the "HD" in HD Retrovision is kind of a misnomer. 😛

  • Reply OOYMTV February 25, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    I absolutely love your video work! Great segment, well done as usual!

  • Reply Real Time Stu March 1, 2015 at 2:42 am

    I'm going to need one of these for my Gamecube, will that cord work for Gamecubes?

  • Reply AguyinaRPG March 1, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    I just watched most of your channel, and I gotta say I love how you guys have a much more professional attitude than many of your contemporaries. I feel like you always have something to actually say about games, rather than rambling on about "TEH GARPHIX" because you don't like the game. People with interesting stories and a mind for tight writing really engage a lot better than those who come at something from such a distance and probably never beat the game. The concepts for your video series' are also great and really something I've been looking for.

    As for this video particularly, I am DYING to get my hands on N64 cables for an HD TV. I know solutions exist, but they are unreliable and these guys seem to actually put a lot of thought into the technical side so that we don't have to. I'd totally jump on this if I collected for either console and I'm excited to see what they'll do in the future.

  • Reply Zach B March 3, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    Thanks again, guys, for making this project a reality.  I still think that these cables are the best solution for a lot of gamers that want to play their classic consoles without dropping the cash on an XRGB or some other conversion hardware.  I can't wait for these cable to ship and I'll probably even be upgrading my LCD TV to a Samsung that handles 240p processing better than my current TV (I also have an old Trinitron WEGA).

    For those who are uncertain, it's pretty easy to test your TV for 240p support with the guide on HD Retrovision's page , or use the 240p test suite. .

  • Reply Douglie007 March 6, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    did the Genesis model 1 cable might work for the Neo Geo AES and Cd, both have RGB out ?  also I need these cables for my CRTs

  • Reply Cralos Show March 15, 2015 at 8:05 am

    WHEN AND HOW CAN I GET THESE. This could be perfect for anyone who is on a very strict budget (Like me.). I wonder if they could make some for the n64. Eh we live in hope.

  • Reply RarefoilB March 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    I have a question for the guys at My Life In Gaming: What is the quality difference between YPbPr component and RGB? Is it minute or rather noticable? What I'm saying is, do you believe getting these cables is just as good an option as RGB+Upscaler?

    Also, (this question really should be put on RGB103, but screw it I'm here now) do you predominately use RGB SCART cables with or without CSYNC? And how hard are RGB SCART CSYNC cables to find compared to Sync-On-Composite?

  • Reply IICrossII April 11, 2015 at 4:14 am

    So I could use their cables over a scart cables and box? Would it look just as good, or better?

  • Reply HiDefJesus April 27, 2015 at 2:11 am

    I did not participate in the Kickstarter. When can I buy one of these cables?

  • Reply Raven575 May 22, 2015 at 7:22 am

    I'd like to see a comparison of using these cables with and without the framemeister to see what kind of difference the up-scaling has on image quality.

  • Reply johneygd October 30, 2015 at 1:35 am

    Oke it sounds nice to finaly have componnent cables for retro consoles,BUT the output is still 240p ,so what if your HDTV don't accept 240p input? Then your are forced to buy a upscaler for it, to make it work.

  • Reply Andrew Czudak February 10, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    I want to hop in and say how awesome the HD Retrovision guys are. Throughout my journey to learn everything I can about RGB and optimal console output, I have reached out to them several with questions, comments, and concerns. Each and every time, they have taken the time to respond, not once, not twice, but consistently until I understood the topics at hand. And they do all this on top of working hard in their spare time to bring gamers like us an awesome product.

    These guys embody the definition of passion for one's craft. HD Retrovision is a labor of love, and I can't wait to see where they go as a company.

  • Reply Moviefan2k4 March 5, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    (sighs) Still waiting for them to finish their SNES component cables…

  • Reply Container7 March 7, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    This was awesome. Thanks!

  • Reply J Chappy April 5, 2016 at 12:00 am

    Be cool if there was a scan line generator in the mix for the newer LCD tv's.

  • Reply Retro Bird June 3, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    I'll always say that you should hook up your consoles to a CRT (via RGB or component if possible). They're free and easy to find. They're bulky, but you should only have to move them once and then have it stay put. Having the games in their natural resolution on a tv that is built to display that resolution. Best looking scanlines you can get as well and absolutely no lag, light gun compatible etc.

  • Reply Gameplay and Talk June 29, 2016 at 6:05 am

    This is really cool. I just checked out their website and signed up for their mailing list. I've been having issues with local recordings via Genesis 2 RGB going into my Framemeister. I don't know if it's a sync problem, but maybe using component instead will help. It looks like the HD Retrovision cables should be available soon as of this writing.

  • Reply aptilomo August 2, 2016 at 7:14 pm

    Someone needs to make Gamecube Component Cables

  • Reply 16bitFishing September 2, 2016 at 2:41 am

    Hell ya Chicago represent. We don't only shoot people here. We have good people too!

  • Reply OneBagTravel October 14, 2016 at 4:23 pm

    Love those handsome cable nerds.

  • Reply OldSchoolBoi January 16, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    My tv detects 240p signals from my SNES, Genesis and PS1 AS 240p! And playing my ps2 with component cables playing ps1 games does the same. But 240p on said tv via component looks like ass.

  • Reply Otaku_GameFan March 21, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    I've been thinking for a while. I think CRTs are better off for Light gun games.

  • Reply Games from the Grave June 26, 2017 at 6:14 am

    I just ordered cables from their restock. I'm excited and can't wait.

  • Reply Alex Paulsen July 3, 2017 at 1:57 am

    I wish HD Retrovision made it clear on their website that they're just transcoding RGB signals into Y/Pb/Pr. They're being honest about it here, to some extent, but I've found anywhere else they've got some people convinced that component video from a Genesis etc is a real thing just from their lack of information in regards to what the cable is actually doing.

  • Reply Michael Baker July 17, 2017 at 6:18 pm

    It should also be noted that the output provided by these cables looks OUTSTANDING when run through the Framemeister via a component to D-Terminal adapter. I'd even say that it's on par the picture that can be obtained from RGB via SCART into the Framemeister (perhaps even better depending on the SCART cable in question). Of course, HD Retrovision's cables are more expensive than SCART RGB cables, but one advantage is that one can use the same cable with the Framemeister and consumer CRTs that have component video inputs.

  • Reply Tangenting Tangerines July 20, 2017 at 4:45 am

    Holy crap I need those Dreamcast component cables

  • Reply VideoGameObsession August 11, 2017 at 6:27 am

    I believe I have found an original model of SNES (Not the SNS-101) which is incompatible with the current revision of HD Retrovision cables.

    It's a (CPU: 2, PPU1: 1, PPU2: 3) Serial #UN288911241

    I've been using this since the 90's and it works perfectly through both composite and Svideo, but when connected through the HD Retrovision YPbPr component cable to my Samsung HDTV I get a black screen/no audio and "Signal Not Supported".
    When connected to my Sony Wega 27" CRT via component it looks like severe ghosting and rolling image. Almost like a color version of what it looks like connecting a PAL video source to an NTSC display.

    I have a photo of it, but I'm not sure I can post URL's here. So it's my name Videogameobsession then a D0TC0M. and finally /photodump/NA/SNES_CPU2_PPU1_PPU2-3_03.jpg . If you put that altogether.

    I should also say that this SNES was connected using the same exact Nintendo branded A/C adapter as the SNES which works perfectly with the HDRetrovision cable, which happens to be this version SNES >> (CPU=1, PPU1=1, PPU2=1) .

    If anyone has any ideas why this would be or something I could try to get this working I'd love to hear it.
    I'd just keep the model that works with the HDRetrovision cable, but it belongs to my friend, who has already ordered a cable for himself (Thanks to me!) Argh… Now I need to get mine working somehow, preferably without having to buy yet another SNES system.

  • Reply jebber gaming jaws October 9, 2017 at 4:54 am

    This stuff is amazing, I can’t wait to get my hands on some of these bad boys!! Just joined the mailing list, looking forward to them getting restocked.

  • Reply ITCHYisVegeta March 25, 2018 at 9:55 am

    I finally purchased one of these cables for the Genesis, along with the recently released Sega Saturn adapter, I was able to test this on 2 of my flat screens, my CRT, and on my main TV through my Framemeister in comparison to using RGB SCART through the Framemeister, using my Genesis, 32X, and Saturn. On my CRT, the games looked amazing, and superior to using either S-Video, or a SCART to YPbPr transcoder. On my flatscreens, they were not fully compatible, where the Genesis and 32X would not work on one TV, and everything else that worked would be displayed as 480i. However through the Framemeister, I could not tell any difference in quality between HD Retrovision's components and RGB SCART cables.

    I am no in the process of replacing all my SCART cables with HD Retrovision component cables, to open up more additional options for video switchers, eliminate the need of a transcoder to my CRT, and to simplify my set up over all. Also, I plan on picking up a new Samsung soon, so I am hoping for the added bonus of the cables working directly with that TV as well.

  • Reply BawesomeBurf April 1, 2018 at 12:48 am

    Just got the Genesis cables with the Saturn adapter last week and was blown away by how much better my Saturn games looked on my LCD. Everything is so much brighter and sharper now, and text looks much cleaner. I just wish the Elgato could capture 240p through component, so I could use these cables for reviews/livestreams. Guess I need to get an OSSC or Framemeister. 🙂

  • Reply Kanbei85 July 2, 2018 at 11:40 pm

    These cables are being scalped on Ebay for way more than the $54 that they were asking. Even that is very steep for a set of cables only.

  • Reply HE1NZ August 9, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    I wish they did Xbox component cable. Existing ones are very expensive.

  • Reply Frito September 13, 2018 at 3:24 pm

    I have HD Retrovision's cables for SNES, Genesis, and PS3, and am looking for a video capture device to use for live streaming. I'd like to avoid Roxio due to their policy regarding the software, and also want to try to keep the cost down if possible. I'd be willing to buy the El Gato HD if that's the best option, but if there is a good cheaper option that works I'd prefer that. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

  • Reply Drink a Beer and Play a Game January 13, 2019 at 12:47 am

    It makes me so happy that one of my favorite games (Genesis Shadowrun) led to the creation of these cables. I own two genesis (1 for my TG16) and one for snes, and I can’t recommend them enough. Great vid!

  • Reply Nathaniel Smith January 13, 2019 at 11:54 am

    Just use an emulator

  • Reply SevenDeMagnus January 18, 2019 at 3:33 am

    Hi. Thanks. Cool. Necessity, passion and love is truly the mother of great inventions.
    Hehe, we had a Genesis (donated to the church, a Dreamcast given to me by a friend, started my retro gaming) but our first was a Famicom and before that the Atari (which still has the best controller- maybe besides the Neo Geo AES).

    God bless, Proverbs 31

  • Reply Adel de Jaramillo April 5, 2019 at 1:54 am

    Awesome interview! Thanks. I've been trying to reach out but I can't find out if their Genesis YPbPr component cables support the Multi-Mega MK-4121-07 (Asia). Would anyone have a clue?

  • Reply attilathehun0 July 15, 2019 at 6:08 pm

    Nice invention but most tvs that are being now days don't have component jacks.

  • Reply Ballowax 2002 August 22, 2019 at 11:32 pm

    you know I just realized something, if you have an HD retrovision cable for super Nintendo or sega genesis modle 1 or 2 and a XRGB mini, Don't even bother with your TV's component video inputs, just feed them through the XRGB mini's D-Terminal input, because it'll the image a lot sharper since it's 240p cleanly upscaled to 720p or 1080p and then spat out via HDMI

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  • Reply Trevor Martin October 23, 2019 at 11:23 pm

    1:36 This is the exact CRT I still have around the house. Alive and kicking, still hooked up to the SNES!

  • Reply Gr8fulDead69 November 28, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    Thank God for HD Retrovision. They have made a huge contribution to the retro gaming scene. I have the SNES and Genesis HD Retrovision component cables, and they really do clean the consoles up nicely. You can even use them on a CRT that has component and it looks great. I mostly use mine with the RetroTINK 2X on my HD tv, but sometimes I still like to use them on my CRT.

  • Reply PersianImm0rtal December 24, 2019 at 6:36 pm

    7:43 Are they stretching the aspect ratio to 16:9 full screen!?! OH THE HORROR. My eyes!

  • Reply Doug Guelich January 7, 2020 at 11:52 pm

    you guys need to do a follow up video on hd retrovision. they have done so much since this video. i love their products!

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